Legendary History Prior to 1st Century BC
Beli Mawr and Llyr Llediath in Welsh Pedigrees
The Bartrum "Welsh Genealogies"
Bartrum's "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs"
A study in charting medieval citations
The Evolution of the "Padriarc Brenin" Pedigree
Generational Gaps and the Welsh Laws
Minimum Age for Welsh Kingship in the Eleventh Century
The Lands of the Silures
Catel Durnluc aka Cadell Ddyrnllwg
Ancient Powys
The Royal Family of Powys
The Royal Family of Gwynedd
The 5 Plebian Tribes of Wales
Maxen Wledig of Welsh Legend
Maxen Wledig and the Welsh Genealogies
Anwn Dynod ap Maxen Wledig
Constans I and his 343 Visit to Britain
Glast and the Glastening
Composite Lives of St Beuno
Rethinking the Gwent Pedigrees
The Father of Tewdrig of Gwent
Another Look at Teithfallt of Gwent
Ynyr Gwent and Caradog Freich Fras
Llowarch ap Bran, Lord of Menai
Rulers of Brycheiniog - The Unanswered Questions
Lluan ferch Brychan
The Herbert Family Pedigree
Edwin of Tegeingl and his Family
Angharad, Heiress of Mostyn
Ithel of Bryn in Powys
Idnerth Benfras of Maesbrook
Henry, the Forgotten Son of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn
The Muddled Pedigree of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir
The Mysterious Peverel Family
The Clan of Tudor Trevor
The Other "Sir Roger of Powys"
Ancestry of Ieuaf ap Adda ap Awr of Trevor
The Retaking of Northeast Wales
Hedd Molwynog or Hedd ap Alunog of Llanfair Talhearn
"Meuter Fawr" son of Hedd ap Alunog
The Medieval "redating" of Braint Hir
Aaron Paen ap Y Paen Hen
Welsh Claims to Ceri after 1179
The Battle of Mynydd Carn
Trahaearn ap Caradog of Arwystli
Cadafael Ynfyd of Cydewain
Maredudd ap Robert, Lord of Cedewain
Cadwgan of Nannau
Maredudd ap Owain, King of Deheubarth
What Really Happened in Deheubarth in 1022?
Two Families headed by a Rhydderch ap Iestyn
The Era of Llewelyn ap Seisyll
Cynfyn ap Gwerystan, the Interim King
The Consorts and Children of Gruffudd ap Llewelyn
The 1039 Battle at Rhyd y Groes
The First Wife of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn
Hywel ap Gronwy of Deheubarth
The Brief Life of Gruffudd ap Maredudd
Owain Brogyntyn and his Family
The Other Gwenwynwyn
Eunydd son of Gwenllian
Sandde Hardd of Mortyn
The Floruit of Einion ap Seisyllt
The Enigmatic Elystan Glodrydd
The Unofficial "History" of Elystan of Powys
Cowryd ap Cadfan of Dyffryn Clwyd
Owain ap Cadwgan and Nest ferch Rhys - An Historic Fiction?
The "sons" of Owain ap Cadwgan ap Bleddyn
The Betrayal by Meirion Goch Revisited
Gwyn Ddistain, seneschal for Llewelyn Fawr
The Men of Lleyn - How They Got There
Trahaearn Goch of Lleyn
Einion vs Iestyn ap Gwrgan - The Conquest of Glamorgan
The Royal Family of Glamorgan
Dafydd Goch ap Dafydd - His Real Ancestry
Thomas ap Rhodri - Father of Owain "Lawgoch"
The "Malpas" Family in Cheshire
Einion ap Celynin of Llwydiarth
Marchweithian, Lord of Is Aled, Rhufoniog
Osbwrn Wyddel of Cors Gedol
Bradwen of Llys Bradwen in Meirionydd
Ednowain ap Bradwen
Sorting out the Gwaithfoeds
Three Men called Iorwerth Goch "ap Maredudd"
The Caradog of Gwynedd With 3 Fathers
Who Was Sir Robert Pounderling?
Eidio Wyllt - What Was His Birthname?
The Legendary Kingdom of Seisyllwg
The Royal Family of Ceredigion
Llewelyn ap Hoedliw, Lord of Is Cerdin
The Ancestry of Owain Glyndwr
Welsh Ancestry of the Tudor Dynasty
Gruffudd ap Rhys, the Homeless Prince
The Children of Lord Rhys
Maredudd Gethin ap Lord Rhys
The 'Next Heir' of Morgan of Caerleon
Pedigree of the ancient Lords of Ial
The Shropshire Walcot Family
Pedigree of "Ednowain Bendew II"
Pedigree of Cynddelw Gam
                                   GWRON, SON OF CUNEDDA
                                         By Darrell Wolcott
            Pedigrees of several noted Gwynedd families trace their ancestry to an otherwise unknown son of Cunedda called Gwron.  Consisting of no more than a string of names spanning 500 years, they lead down to the brothers Maelog Dda and Alean ap Greddyf in the mid-tenth century.  The latter is cited as the patriarch of those families which produced the noted bard Gawlchmei ap Meilyr, the Gwynedd Rhys Goch ap Sandde and Tegerin ap Carwed, while Sandde Hardd and Hwfa ap Cynddelw are said to have descended from Maelog Dda.
            The tenth-century manuscript, Harleian 3859, said that Cunedda had 9 sons, but none called Gwron is found in that list.  The earliest mention of him comes in a manuscript called Bonedd yr Arwyr which probably dates from the 13th century.  There, we are told that his three sons, Cynyr, Meilyr and Yneigr, assisted their cousin Cadwallon Lawhir in expelling this last of the Irish from Gwynedd.  Gwron is also cited in the c. 1400 manuscript Hen Lwythau Gwynedd a'r Mars, where we find the names which form the 500 year link down to the tenth century.
           Peter Bartrum calls him "legendary"[1] with this comment: "Gwron is not mentioned in the older lists of the sons of Cunedda and therefore his historical existence is doubtful".  We think that to be an unfortunate manner in which to express the problem.  Since a real man of some name spawned the resulting family; we would have elected to use wording such as "if the patriarch of this family was a son of Cunedda, his name was probably not Gwron; however this may have been a nickname applied to one of the known sons of Cunedda."
         One modern writer[2] suggests that the common Welsh noun "gwron" or "hero" was simply applied to one of the familiar sons of Cunedda.  He opts for Ysfael (Osmail) since the name of that son is attached to a small area of Anglesey[3].  We would have expected it to appear as "y gwron" if that were the correct explanation.
          A similiar Welsh male name is Gwion, once spelled "Gwiawn", which occurs in the "Hanes Taliesin" tale of Gwion Bach and in the Mabinogion tale of "How Culhwch Won Olwen" as Gwion Cat Eye.  It was only when we encountered men called "Y Gwion" that a possible identification of "Gwron ap Cunedda" emerged.  The first of these was Y Gwion ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn of Ial, born c. 1125.  Over the next 100 years, we find 4 more men, all in families related to Ithel Felyn, and one man who was the son of a lady of that family, that are called "Y Gwion" in the pedigrees.  These men can be linked in a chart like this:
                                1005  Llewelyn Aurdorchog
                                 1035  Llewelyn Fychan
                  ____________________l_____ _
                  l                                          l
       1075  Rhys                         1065  Ithel Felyn         
                  l                                          l                      
      1105  Einion                           1095  Hwfa             
                  l                     _____________l_______
                  l                     l                                l                    
     1140  Iorwerth    1130 Hywel Foel         1125  Y Gwion
                  l                    l                         _____l_______ 
                  l                    l                         l                   l
  1170  Trahaearn    1160  Ieuaf     1160  Cadwgan Goch      Dau 1165
                  l                    l                         l                   l
    1200  Y Gwion   1190  Y Gwion Gam            *             Y Gwion**
                                                   1220  Y Gwion
                                                 1250  Cadwgan Goch***
   *The missing link was probably named Hwfa, making a repeating 3-name string which has been omitted in most citations.  See below.
  **This child was a son of Radfarch ap Asser (or Alser) from the family of Hedd ap Alunog (Molwynog) which Radfarch married the lady in our chart
***Two wives are assigned to "Cadwgan Goch ap Y Gwion ap Hwfa", ladies born c. 1175 and c. 1265 who could not have been contemporary.  Families said to descend from Cadwgan Goch point to a birthdate for him c. 1250.  We think the 3 generations missing from those pedigrees are a repeating string, beginning with Hwfa.
               While we acknowledge that "Gwion" standing alone is a legitimate but rare male birthname, we never see other male names proceeded by "Y".  If there were never any men called "the Hwfa" or "the Ithel", why should a man have been called "the Gwion"?  We do see men cited in pedigrees solely by their nickname, such as "Y Teg" or "the fair" in the sense of attractive-looking.  In exploring the possibility that "Y Gwion" was simply a nickname, we soon found there were no Welsh common nouns or adjectives "gwion" that might have formed a man's descriptive nickname.
         Our first clue as to what it meant came during our work on the family of Trahaearn ap Iorwerth, the valiant Powys warrior who was granted the manor and lordship of Garthmyl by Prince Gwenwynwyn.  The pedigree of the Lloyd family of Berthlloyd[4] says Trahaearn had, among others, sons named Y Gwion and Iorwerth.  Both of those men are given sons named Iorwerth.  We suspected it was a single man known as "Iorwerth y Gwion", cited once under his birth name and again under his nickname.  And immediately wondered if the nickname weren't a corrupt spelling of "y wyrion" or "the grandson".  We have often called attention to the fact that few Welshmen married and had children during the lifetime of their father, but the ancient Welsh laws[5] which made that the "standard practice" were becoming obsolete in the 12th century as Norman influence began changing old ways.
         Certainly in the case of Trahaearn, he need not wait to inherit his patrimonial lands before marrying; his Prince had granted him other land on which he could house and support a family.  If his first son had been born when his father was not only still alive but still active, it may have been necessary to refer to a young Iorwerth ap Trahaearn as "Iorwerth the grandson" to distinquish the two men.  More likely, the nickname may simply have called attention to a hither-to rare occurrence: a living 3 generation family.  If so, it had begun two generations earlier in a cousin line of the family and each time it occurred, the child was called "y wyrion" to highlight the achievement, ceasing only when it became common all over Wales for men to marry in the lifetime of their father....the days of young men being required to leave home and serve their father's Lord having finally ended.
          Perhaps successive copying of the pedigree manuscripts altered "wyrion" into "gwyrion" (adding or dropping an initial "g" is a function of the soft mutation in Welsh language usage) and later, when that non-word was supposed by a medieval scribe to be a misspelling of a real name, it evolved into "Gwion" but still preceeded by "Y".
          If our theory is correct, the first cited Y Gwion would actually be "Ithel y wyrion" the son of Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn.  Each of the other examples in our chart would have a birthname identical to their grandfather.  And we would then assume each such grandfather was still alive well into his grandson's early youth.
          Returning now to Gwron ap Cunedda, we suspect this was a nickname but nothing found in the early stories of the family indicates a particular son of Cunedda was singled out as a "hero" as others suggest; it was the sons of Gwron who are credited with battlefield sucesses.  The lands named for Ysfael ap Cunedda are rather minute for a "hero's" portion, so we doubt he was the son also called Gwron.  Instead, we suspect he was the very first cited "y wyrion" which later scribes corruptly rendered as "Gwron".  The father of Cunedda was Edern, and sure enough one of the nine sons listed for Cunedda was also called Edern.  He may have been the eldest of the nine, born while his grandfather was yet alive. In the absence of more compelling arguments, we suggest that Gwron was actually "Edern y wyrion". 
[1] Peter C Barturm "A Welsh Classical Dictionary", 1993, pp 338
[2] Arthur Owen Vaughan, aka Owen Rhoscomyl, an early 20th century writer of popular Welsh histories quoted in Anglesey Antiquarian Society Transactions for 1923, pp 47
[3] The Maes Osmeliaun found in the entry for 902 in the Annales Cambriae and now called Llan-faes near Beaumaris in the commote of Tyndaethwy. Others, however, claim it was Holyhead Island off the west coast of Anglesey.
[4] J.Y.W. Lloyd "The History of Powys Fadog", vol v, pp 120
[5] Refer to the paper "Generational Gaps and the Welsh Laws" elsewhere on this site