Pedigree of Cynddelw Gam

GENERATION 1:

1. Cynddelw Gam ap Elgudy, born c. 880

As a young man, Cynddelw accompanied his father in the engagement which cleared Danish squatters from Tegeingl and the Clwyd valley. His uncorrected vision required him to squint when viewing anything from close up and earned him the nickname "Gam". Born in mid-Powys near Deuddwr, he settled in Ystrad Alun on lands granted to his father by Selyf ap Brochwel, king of Powys, around the year 900/905. His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

2. Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam ap Elgudy

ABT 1c and HLG 5a cite "Cynddelw Gam ap Elgudy ap Gwrysnadd" as father of Cynwrig

GENERATION 2:

2. Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam ap Elgudy, born c. 915.

He inheirited his father's lands, which included Ystrad Alun, Dyffryn Clwyd and a sizaeable manor near Rhuddlan in Tegeingl. His wife is unknown, but he had 3 sons:

3. Gweirydd ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam

4. Marchen ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam

5. Pyll ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam

Pen. 131, 286 cites "Gweirydd ap Cynddelw Gam" while HLG 5a cites "Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam". Both the chronology and Peter Bartrum suggest the correct form is "Gweirydd ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam"

ABT 1c cites "Marchen ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam"

ABT 6i cites "Pyll ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam"

GENERATION 3:

3. Gweirydd ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam, born c. 945

He received Ystrad Alun and a part of the Tegeingl manor, electing to reside at the latter. His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

6. Coel ap Gweirydd ap Cynwrig

Pen. 131, 286 cites "Coel ap Gweirydd ap Cynddelw Gam" which lacks one generation to be chronologically satisfactory. Bartrum would make Gweirydd the son of Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam and we concur

4. Marchen ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam, born c. 950

He received much of Dyffryn Clwyd as his share of his father's lands. His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

7. Rhys ap Marchen ap Cynwrig

ABT 1c cites "Marchen ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam" as father of Rhys

5. Pyll ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam, born c. 950

He received lands in the north of Dyffryn Clwyd and the remainder of the manor near Rhuddlan. His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

8. Gwair ap Pyll ap Cynwrig

ABT 6i cites "Pyll ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam " as father of Gwair

GENERATION 4:

6. Coel ap Gweirydd ap Cynwrig, born c. 975

He inheirited Ystrad Alun and the manor called Bryn near Rhuddlan. After serving king Llewelyn ap Seisyllt (c. 980), he married a sister (c. 990) of that Llewelyn and had 2 sons:

9. Llewelyn ap Coel ap Gweirydd

10. Ithel ap Coel ap Gweirydd

Pen. 131, 286 and Pen. 128, 186 cite "Coel ap Gweirydd" as father of Llewelyn Aurdorchog

The marriage of Coel to a sister of King Llewelyn ap Seisyllt is our suggestion; since Coel's son served as penteulu for Gruffudd ap Llewelyn ap Seisyllt and since that position was reserved by law to a near relative of the king, we posit the men were first cousins

No source gives the ancestry of this Ithel; we suggest he was a younger brother of Llewelyn Aurdorchog.

7. Rhys ap Marchen ap Cynwrig, born c. 985

His wife is unknown, but later in life he had a single daughter:

Gwenllian ferch Rhys ap Marchen, born c. 1025. She inheirited his lands in Dyffryn Clwyd and married Morien (c. 1015) ap Morganeau (c. 985) ap Gwerystan (c. 950), a first cousin of Rhiwallon and Bleddyn ap Cynfyn ap Gwerystan. Their son, Eunydd (c. 1045), served in Bleddyn's warband c. 1070-75

ABT 1c cites "Gwenllian ferch Rhys ap Marchen ap Cynwrig" as mother of Eunydd

Dwnn ii, 83 & 355 cite "Gwenllian ferch Rhys ap Marchen" married "Morien ap Morgeneu ap Gwerystan ap Gwaethfoed" and was mother to Eunydd

8. Gwair ap Pyll ap Cynwrig, born c. 985

His wife is unknown, but he had a daughter:

Afandreg ferch Gwair ap Pyll, born c. 1020. She was about 13 when Iago (c. 1005) ap Idwal (c. 975) ap Elisedd (c. 945) of Gwynedd invaded Powys and took Rhuddlan from its interim king, Cynfyn ap Gwerystan. While the more senior Powys noblemen went into the mountains of Ial to avoid capture and to protect their young king-to-be, Gruffudd ap Llewelyn, Gwair struck a truce with Iago and gave Afandreg to be his wife. She was to be widowed 6 years later when Gruffudd emerged as king of Powys and killed Iago. She and her young son, Cynan (c. 1035), resided at Iago's manor of Aberffraw in Anglesey.

ABT 6i cites "Afandreg ferch Gwair ap Pyll ap Cynwrig" as the mother of Cynan ap Iago, thus the wife of Iago

GENERATION 5:

9. Llewelyn ap Coel ap Gweirydd, born c. 1005

He was sent at age 14 to serve at the court of King Llewelyn ap Seisyllt, and remained at court when that man died in 1023. Cynfyn ap Gwerystan married the king's widow to become the step-father of young Gruffudd. Installed as the interim king of Powys, Cynfyn brought to court with him three young daughters by a first wife. About 1033, Llewelyn married one of those daughters, Efa (c. 1020). When Gruffudd ap Llewelyn became old enough to stake a kingship claim, he chose Llewelyn ap Coel as his senior official...the penteulu or leader of his warband. It was during that service he donned the gold torc which was the ancient symbol of a Celtic battle leader, and became better known as Llewelyn Aurdorchog. As a reward for his services, he was granted the commote of Ial located just south of Ystrad Alun. He and Efa had 4 sons:

11. Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

12. Ithel Hen ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

13. Ednowain ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

Rhys ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1045. He had a single daughter, Gwenllian born c. 1080, who married Ithel (c. 1075) ap Eunydd of Dyffryn Clwyd (c. 1045)

Cae Cyriog Ms and B.M. Add. 9864 cite "Llewelyn Aurdorchog ap Coel ap Gweirydd" married "Efa ferch Cynfyn ap Gwerystan". Harl. 1972, 135 and Harl. 1977, 226 incorrectly emended that to "Efa ferch Bleddyn ap Cynfyn" by mis-dating Llewelyn Aurdorchog one generation forward.

Dwnn i, 308 cites "Llewelyn Aurdorchog" as father to Llewelyn Fychan

No sources cite the ancestry of Ithel Hen; Dwnn ii, 300, note 3 calls him "of the tribe of Ial". Chronologically, he fits as a son of Llewelyn Aurdorchog; most pedigrees call Ithel Felyn such a son, but only our construction fits both men

Dwnn ii, 243 cites "Llewelyn Aurdorchog" as father to Owain Aurdorchog but Cae Cyriog Ms and others call this son Ednowain Aurdorchog.

Pen. 287, 181 cites "Gwenllian ferch Rhys ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" married "Ithel ap Eunydd'

All other children attributed to Llewelyn Aurdorchog by various pedigrees actually belong to other (later) men in the family named Llewelyn; these include Ithel Felyn, Iorwerth, Idris, Gwgan and Dolffyn, plus a lady named Nest

10. Ithel ap Coel ap Gweirydd, born c. 1007

He also served at the courts of Llewelyn ap Seisyllt and Cynfyn ap Gwerystan, and about 1035 married another of the daughters of Cynfyn named Nest (c. 1022). Like his older brother, he had grown to manhood as both first-cousin and foster brother of Gruffudd ap Llewelyn. When the latter became king in 1039, he named Ithel as his pencynydd or chief huntsman in charge of the care and training of the hounds. A Welsh king of that era had only two things he was passionate about: fighting and hunting. Thus the two sons of Coel became Gruffudd's top officials in each of those pursuits. Ithel and Nest resided at the patrimonial manor of Bryn near the castle at Rhuddlan. For his services to the king, he was granted lands in Pennant Melangell in the commote of Mochnant. He and Nest had a son:

14. Ednowain ap Ithel ap Coel

The ancestry of Ithel is nowhere given; see the paper "Ithel of Bryn in Powys" elsewhere on this site for the suggestion he was a younger brother of Llewelyn Aurdorchog

HLG 2c cites "The mother of Ednowain ap Ithel of Bryn in Powys and of Pennant Melangell was Nest ferch Cynfyn ap Gwerystan"

GENERATION 6:

11. Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1035

Succeeding to the Lordship of Ial and Ystrad Alun after the death of his father, he cemented his friendship with the clan of Elystan Glodrydd in Fferlys which lay south of Powys by marrying Annes (c. 1050), daughter of Cadwgan (c. 1020) ap Elystan (c. 985). His lands were a portion of "north Wales" for which the Norman Robert of Rhuddlan paid 40 pounds annually to rule. This Robert did not personally involve himself in every-day affairs in Wales, but approved sub-rulers who rendered to him those rents and fees normally paid to a Welsh king. Llewelyn Fychan paid 40 shillings rent in 1086 for Ial when its population was said to be 33 men and 2 priests. He and Anne had 4 sons and 2 daughters:

15. Ithel Felyn ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

16. Idris ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

17. Iorwerth ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

18. Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

Nest ferch Llewelyn Fychan, born c. 1065. She married Uchdryd (c. 1055) ap Edwin of Tegeingl (c. 1020), leader of the warband of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn

Alison ferch Llewelyn Fychan, born c. 1070. She married Maredudd (c. 1055) ap Cynan (c. 1014) ap Idwal (c. 975), a priest at the household of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn and the younger brother of the Gruffudd ap Cynan who tried and failed to claim the kingship of Gwynedd in 1075 and 1081.

Montgomeryshire Collections vol vii, pp 54 cites "Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog married Agnes (Annes) ferch Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd"

HLG 5b cites "Ithel Felyn of Ial ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" which omits Llewelyn Fychan, but that source also omits both the father and grandfather of Llewelyn Aurdorchog

Pen. 131, 286; Pen. 128, 75b & 186b; and Pen. 139(1), 82 cite "Idris ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" but the family descended from Idris clearly dates him to the generation of grandchildren of Llewelyn Aurdorchog.

Pen. 127, 63; Pen. 128, 272a; Pen. 176, 84; and Pen 139(1), 123 cite "Iorwerth ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" but he also occurs 2 generations after Llewelyn Aurdorchog

Dwnn i, 308 cites "Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog"

Pen. 287, 291 cites "Nest ferch Llewelyn Aurdorchog married Uchdryd ap Edwin ap Gronwy"; Uchdryd was born c. 1050/55 making his wife actually the daughter of Llewelyn Fychan.

Cedwyn Ms reproduced in Montgomeryshire Collections, vol x, pp 21 cites "Alson ferch Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog married Maredudd ap Cynan"

By moving the birth of Llewelyn Aurdorchog forward one generation to call him the father of Ithel Felyn, several of his grandchildren were cast as his children in most medieval pedigrees.

12. Ithel Hen ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1036

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

19. Llewelyn ap Ithel Hen ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog

Dwnn ii, 300 note 3 cites "Ithel Hen of Ial" as the father of Llewelyn

13. Ednowain ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1040

He served as penteulu for Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, who was his mother's half-brother. During that service as leader of King Bleddyn's warband, he earned the "Aurdorchog" nickname his father had borne. His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:

20. Dafydd Ysgyd Aur ap Ednowain Aurdorchog

21. Gwrydyr ap Ednowain Aurdorchog

Dwnn ii, 243 cites "Owain Aurdorchog" as father of Dafydd Ysgyd Aur

HLG 5a cites "Ednowain ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" as father of Gwrydyr

14. Ednowain ap Ithel ap Coel, born c. 1040

He married Generys (c. 1055) ferch Rhys Sais (c. 1025) ap Ednyfed (c. 995) of Maelor and had a son:

22. Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain ap Ithel

HLG 2c & d cites "the mother of Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain ap Ithel was Generys ferch Rhys Sais of Maelor", while HLG 12a extends her ancestry to "Rhys Sais of Maelor ap Ednyfed ap Llywarch Gam ap Llyddocca ap Tudor Trevor"

GENERATION 7:

15. Ithel Felyn ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1065. He succeeded his father as Lord of Ial and Ystrad Alun about 1094 and married Lleuci (c. 1080) ferch Hwfa (c. 1045) ap Brochwel (c. 1010) ap Bledrus (c. 980) of Anglesey. While one late manuscript cites Marged and Susanna as his daughters, no marriage for either is mentioned. But Ithel Felyn did have a son:

23. Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn ap Llewelyn Fychan

Harl. 1972, 137v and Harl. 1977, 38v & 124 cite "Ithel Felyn ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" (omitting Llewelyn Fychan) married "Lleuci ferch Hwfa ap Brochwel ap Bledrus y Moelwyn".

Pen. 287, 497 cites Marged and Susanna as unmarried daughters of Ithel Felyn, ladies unknown to earlier manuscripts

16. Idris ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1070.

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

24. Ithel ap Idris ap Llewelyn Fychan

Pen. 131, 186 and Pen. 128, 75b & 186b cite "Idris ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog (omitting Llewelyn Fychan) as father of Ithel

17. Iorwerth ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1070

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

25. Llewelyn ap Iorwerth ap Llewelyn Fychan

Pen. 127, 63 and Pen. 128, 272a cite "Iorwerth ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" but the subsequent families place Iorwerth 2 generations after Llewelyn Aurdorchog

18. Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1075

He married Lleuci (c. 1090) ferch Llewelyn (c. 1060) ap Meilyr Gryg (c. 1025) of Gregynog in Cydewain and settled on his wife's manor in southern Powys. It was not unusual for younger siblings who held patrimonial lands now ruled by an older brother to seek residence elsewhere. Rhys Goch leased out his lands in Ystrad Alun and Ial to move south. He and Lleuci had a son:

26. Einion ap Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan

Montgomeryshire Collections, vol vii, pp 55 cites "Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" married "Lleuci ferch Llewelyn ap Meilyr Gryg and was the father of Einion"

19. Llewelyn ap Ithel Hen ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog, born c. 1065

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

27. Madog ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Hen

Dwnn ii, 300 note 3 cites "Llewelyn ap Ithel Hen" as father of Madog

20. Dafydd Ysgyd Aur ap Ednowain Aurdorchog, born c. 1065

His footwear was decorated with gold braid and he was known as Dafydd with the gold boots. His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

28. Idnerth ap Dafydd Ysgyd Aur ap Ednowain Aurdorchog

Dwnn ii, 243 cites "Dafydd Ysgyd Aur ap Owain Aurdorchog" as father of Idnerth

21. Gwrydyr ap Ednowain Aurdorchog, born c. 1070

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

29. Bledrys ap Gwrydyr ap Ednowain Aurdorchog

HLG 5a cites "Gwrydyr ap Ednowain ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog" as father of Bledrys

22. Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain ap Ithel, born c. 1080

He married Gwledyr (c. 1100) ferch Seisyllt (c. 1070) ap Gwrgi (c. 1040) of castell Caereinion and only had 2 daughters:

Arianrodd ferch Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain, born c. 1110. She married Collwyn (c. 1095) ap Moreiddig (c. 1060) ap Rhys (c. 1030) of Penllyn and was the grandmother of Rhiryd Flaidd ap Gwrgeneu ap Collwyn, Lord of Penllyn

Genelles ferch Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain, born c. 1115. She married the noted bard Gwalchmei (c. 1000) ap Meilyr (c. 970).

HLG 2e cites "Gwledyr ferch Seisyllt ap Gwrgi" as mother of Genelles ferch Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain" thus wife of Gwrgeneu

HLG 2b cites "Genelles ferch Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain ap Ithel of Bryn" as the mother of Einion ap Gwalchmei ap Meilyr, thus the wife of Gwalchmei

Pen. 139(1), 39 cites "the mother of Gwrgeneu ap Collwyn was a daughter of Gwrgeneu ap Ednowain of Bryn"; Harl. 1977, 245 names the lady "Aneiwrodd" which is probably "Arianrodd"

GENERATION 8:

23. Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn ap Llewelyn Fychan, born c. 1095

He succeeded his father as Lord of Ial and Ystrad Alun and married Yslani (c. 1110) ferch Iago (c. 1075) ap Gruffudd (c.1041) ap Cynan (c. 1015) ap Idwal (c. 975). They had 4 sons:

30. Ithel y Gwion ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn

31. Caswallon ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn

32. Hywel Foel ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn

Gronwy ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn, born c. 1130. He had a son:

Iorwerth ap Gronwy ap Hwfa, born c. 1160, whose daughter:

Tangwystl ferch Iorwerth ap Gronwy, born c. 1195, married Llewelyn ap Dolffyn ap Iorwerth. See #71 below

HLG 5b cites "the wife of Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn was Yslani ferch Gruffudd ap Cynan" but ABT 5b (which also cites this marriage) adds that Yslani was the sister of Iago ap Gruffudd ap Cynan by a common mother. But that Iago can be dated c. 1075 and almost certainly was the father, not sister, of Yslani.

Pen. 127, 64 and Pen. 128, 272a cite "Tangwystl ferch Iorwerth Swdrgrin ap Gronwy ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn" married "Llewelyn ap Dolffyn ap Iorwerth"

24. Ithel ap Idris ap Llewelyn Fychan, born c. 1105

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

33. Tudor ap Ithel ap Idris

Pen. 131, 286 and Pen. 128, 186b cite "Ithel ap Idris" as father of Tudor

25. Llewelyn ap Iorwerth ap Llewelyn Fychan, born c. 1100

A number of genealogists confuse this man with Llewelyn Aurdorchog, appending his children to that earlier man. His wife is unknown, but he had 3 sons and a daughter:

34. Dolffyn ap Llewelyn ap Iorwerth

35. Iorwerth ap Llewelyn ap Iorwerth

36. Gwgan ap Llewelyn ap Iorwerth

Nest ferch Llewelyn ap Iorwerth, born c. 1135. She married Llewelyn (c. 1130) ap Madog (c. 1095) ap Maredudd (c. 1065) ap Bleddyn (c. 1025) ap Cynfyn (c. 990)

Pen. 127, 63 & 129; Pen. 128, 272a; Harl. 1973, 26v; and Harl. 1977, 268 all mistake this Llewelyn for Llewelyn Aurdorchog. Perhaps he also bore that nickname, but clearly dates nearly 100 years later than the first man of that name.

Harl. 1977, 268 cites "Nest ferch Llewelyn" married "Llewelyn ap Madog" but corruptly misidentifies both spouses. Bartrum's attempt to chart Llewelyn ap Madog is absurdly anachronistic, making Madog 3 generations older than his "father"

26. Einion ap Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan, born c. 1105

His wife is cited as Sian ferch Einion (c. 1110) ap Seisyllt (c. 1075) of Mathafarn, but such a lady would be a full generation too young for such a marriage. Perhaps she was a sister of Einion ap Seisyllt whose relationship was altered to daughter by those medieval genealogists who dated Llewelyn Aurdorchog one generation later and claimed he was the father of Ithel Felyn. Raised in southern Powys where his father had moved, Einion had a son:

37. Iorwerth ap Einion ap Rhys Goch

Montgomeryshire Collections, vol vii, pp 55 cites "Einion ap Rhys Goch ap Llewelyn Fychan" married "Sian ferch Einion ap Seisyllt". Either this marriage is fiction, or Sian was actually a sister of Einion ap Seisyllt

27. Madog ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Hen, born c. 1095

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

38. Iorwerth ap Madog ap Llewelyn

Dwnn ii, 300 note 3 cites "Madog ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Hen" as father of Iorwerth

28. Idnerth ap Dafydd Ysgyd Aur ap Ednowain Aurdorchog, born c. 1095

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

39. Bradwen ap Idnerth ap Dafydd Ysgyd Aur

Dwnn ii, 243 cites "Idnerth ap Dafydd Ysgyd Aur" as father of Bradwen. However, Dwnn ii, 284 cites the father of Bradwen as "Idnerth ap Edryd", a man born c. 1040 or 2 generations too early to be his father. Pen. 234, 30 makes the father of Bradwen "Mael ap Bleydud ap Morud", a man born c. 1050. We have opted for the only version of his ancestry which works chronologically.

29. Bleddri ap Gwrydyr ap Ednowain Aurdorchog, born c. 1100

His wife is unknown but he had a son:

Cadwgan ap Bleddri ap Gwrydyr, born c. 1130. He had 4 sons of whom nothing is known:

Rhys ap Cadwgan ap Bleddri, born c. 1160

Arthen ap Cadwgan ap Bleddri, born c. 1160

Meilyr ap Cadwgan ap Bleddri, born c. 1165

Tegwared ap Cadwgan ap Bleddri, born c. 1165

HLG 5a cites "Rhys and Arthen and Meilyr and Tegwared" as sons of "Cadwgan ap Bleddri ap Gwrydyr ap Ednowain ap Llewelyn Aurdorchog"

GENERATION 12:

72. Cadwgan Y Gwion ap Hwfa ap Cadwgan Goch, born c. 1220

His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:

92. Cadwgan Goch ap Cadwgan Y Gwion ap Hwfa

93. Cadwgan Frych ap Cadwgan Y Gwion ap Hwfa

Pen. 128, 139a cites "Gwion ap Hwfa" as the father of Cadwgan Goch. The family which follows dates this "Gwion" to c. 1220 and we make him the son of Hwfa ap Cadwgan Goch ap Ithel y Gwion ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn.

73. Jonas ap Hwfa ap Cadwgan Goch, born c. 1225

His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:

94. Ithel ap Jonas ap Hwfa

95. Madog ap Jonas ap Hwfa

Dwnn ii, 228 cites "Jonas ap Hwfa" as the father of Ithel

Pen. 128, 216a cites "Jonas ap Hwfa" as the father of Madog

All sources mistake Hwfa, father of Jonas, with Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn by omitting 3 generations. Jonas was a brother of (Cadwgan) y Gwion ap Hwfa ap (Ithel) y Gwion ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn.

74. Llewelyn ap Einion ap Cynddelw, born c. 1215

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

96. Iorwerth ap Llewelyn ap Einion

Pen. 136, 77 cites "Llewelyn ap Einion ap Cynddelw" as the father of Iorwerth

75. Owain Wynn ap Rhys ap Iorwerth, born c. 1230

His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:

97. Owain Fychan ap Owain Wynn ap Rhys

98. Rhys Lloyd ap Owain Wynn ap Rhys

Dwnn ii, 300 cites "Owain Wynn ap Rhys ap Iorwerth" as the father of Owain Fychan

76. Gronwy ap Cynwrig ap Iorwerth, born c. 1225

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

99. Madog ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig

Harl. 1972, 78; Pen. 131, 52; Pen. 129, 84; Pen 127, 136 cite Madog as a son of "Gronwy ap Cynwrig" and the three Peniarth manuscripts extend his ancestry to "Gronwy ap Cynwrig ap Iorwerth"

77. Iorwerth ap Caswallon ap Iorwerth, born c. 1220

He married Gwenhwyfar (c. 1230) ferch Cuhelyn (c. 1200) ap Rhun (c. 1170) ap Einion Efell (c. 1135); Einion Efell was a base son of Madog ap Maredudd ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn. They had a son:

100. Cynwrig ap Iorwerth ap Caswallon

PF ii, 348 (citing the Cae Cyriog Ms) says "Gwenhwyfar ferch Cuhelyn ap Rhun ap Einion Efell" married "Iorwerth ap Caswallon ap Hwfa", omitting one pair of "Iorwerth ap Caswallon" from the pedigree. Bartrum's charts omit Gwenhwyfar since she didn't fit timewise in his flawed construction.

PF v, 91 (citing BM Add 9864) cites the same marriage, but also confuses this Iorwerth ap Caswallon with the earlier same-named man who was living in 1202

78. Heilyn ap Gruffudd ap Maredudd, born c. 1220

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

101. Heilyn Fychan ap Heilyn ap Gruffudd

Pen. 176, 334; Pen. 139(1), 82; Pen. 134, 69; Pen. 177. 166; Pen. 135, 293 cite "Heilyn ap Gruffudd ap Maredudd" as the father of Heilyn Fychan

79. Madog Goch ap Cynwrig ap Bleddyn, born c. 1225

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

102. Ieuan ap Madog Coch ap Cynwrig

Pen. 287, 506 cites "Madog Goch ap Cynwrig ap Bleddyn" as the father of Ieuan

80. Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam ap Ieuaf, born c. 1220

His wife is unknown, but he had 4 sons:

103. Iorwerth ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam

104. Ieuan ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam

105. Llewelyn Y Stwg ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam

106. Gwilym ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam

Cardiff 3.8, 157 cites "Ithel ap Hywel Foel" as the father of Iorwerth. That construction is 2 generations deficient, and we think it was Hywel, the grandson of Hywel Foel which is meant, i.e. "Ithel ap Hywel y Gwion Gam ap Ieuaf ap Hywel Foel"

Pen. 134, 147 cites "Ieuan ap Ithel to Hwfa"; Bartrum incorrectly assumed that Hwfa ap Cynddelw was meant and places Ieuan's family on chart Hwfa 1.

Pen. 176, 48 and Pen, 287, 498 cite "Ithel ap Y Gwion Gam" as the father of Gwilym

81. Llewelyn ap Madog ap Einion, born c. 1235

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

107. Iolyn ap Llewelyn ap Madog

Pen. 287, 500; Pen. 139(1), 87 cite "Llewelyn ap Madog ap Einion" as the father of Iolyn

82. Hwfa ap Madog ap Einion, born c. 1230

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

108. Hywel ap Hwfa ap Madog

See #174 below; this branch of the family contains a repeating 4-name string of "Madog ap Einion ap Hywel ap Hwfa" ap "Madog ap Einion ap Hywel Foel ap Hwfa" ap Ithel Felyn.

83. Madog Goch ap Meilyr ap Tangwel, born c. 1235

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

109. Meilyr ap Madog Goch ap Meilyr

Harl. 1977, 123v cites this line of the family as "Hywel Goch ap Rhiwallon ap Meilyr ap Tangwel", skipping from Meilyr ap Madog Goch to Meilyr ap Tangwel. Bartrum's chart shows 2 generations missing in that construction.

84. Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr ap Tangwel, born c. 1240

He married Tangwystl (c. 1250) ferch Madog (c. 1210) ap Einion (c. 1180) ap Madog (c. 1150) ap Gwylog (c. 1120) ap Eginyr (c. 1085) ap Urien (c. 1055) ap Eginyr (c. 1025) ap Lles (c. 995) ap Idnerth Benfras of Maesbrook (c. 960). They had a 2 sons:

110. Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr

111. Ithel ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr

Harl. 1971, 180 cites "Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr ap Tangwel" married "Tangwystl ferch Madog ap Gwylog" which skips from Madog ap Einion to Madog ap Gwylog. Her ancestry is continued in Pen. 135, 285 and Pen. 128, 87b as "Gwylog ap Eginyr ap Lles ap Idnerth Benfras", which skip from Eginyr ap Urien to Eginyr ap Lles. Together, these citations omit 4 generations. No extant pedigrees cast for the family of Idnerth Benfras are, as they stand, even close to being chronologically stable.

Dwnn i, 322 cites "Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr ap Tangwel" as the father of Dafydd

Pen. 287, 509 cites "Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr ap Tangwel" ap the father of Ithel

85. Pyll ap Deheuwynt ap Ithel, born c. 1230

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

112. Madog ap Pyll ap Deheuwynt

Pen. 127, 129 cites "Pyll ap Deheuwynt ap Ithel" as the father of Madog

86. Hywel ap Iorwerth ap Carwed, born c. 1230

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

113. Gwyn ap Hywel ap Iorwerth

Pen. 176, 84 & 93; Pen 287, 510 cite "Hywel ap Iorwerth ap Carwed" as the father of Gwyn

87. Trahaearn ap Meilyr ap Cyfnerth, born c. 1220

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

114. Gwgan ap Trahaearn ap Meilyr

Harl. 1973, 26 cites "Trahaearn ap Meilyr ap Cyfnerth" as the father of Gwgan

88. Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion ap Trahaearn, born c. 1230

His wife is unknown, but he had 3 sons:

115. Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion

116. Ieuan Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion

117. Rhys ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion

118. Ieuan Fychan ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion

Harl. 1973, 119 cites "Ieuan ap Iorwerth ap Gwion"; since Gwion was actually Iorwerth y Gwion, we read this as "Ieuan ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion". We added the "Fychan" to this Ieuan since he appears to have had a brother called Ieuan Goch. It is possible both these Ieuans were a single person, but we date them 5 years apart.

Dwnn i, 21 cites "Ieuan Goch ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn" but the family which follows chronologically requires Ieuan Goch to occur in the 3rd generation after Trahaearn, so we make him a son of Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth.

Comments of the other sons shown for Iorwerth Fychan will follow the entry for those sons.

89. Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith ap Trahaearn, born c. 1230

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

119. Llywarch ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith

120. Einion ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith

Pen. 127, 36 and Pen. 176, 123 & 221 cite "Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith" as the father of Llywarch

Pen. 129, 111; Pen. 127, 133; Pen. 128, 156a & 612a cite "Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith" as the father of Einion.

Llywarch ap Llewelyn had a son, Einion, who is confused with his brother Einion but the two men named Einion are found in wholly different sources and are not merely the result of a name dropped from one set of manuscripts as Bartrum supposed.

90. Gruffudd ap Maredudd ap Trahaearn, born c. 1240

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

121. Iorwerth ap Gruffudd ap Maredudd

Harl. 1973, 28 cites "Gruffudd ap Maredudd ap Trahaearn"

Pen. 287, 423 cites the heiress of Garthmyl who married an ancestor of the Jones family of Garthmyl as "Marged ferch Ieuan Fwyndeg ap Ieuan ap Dafydd ap Iorwerth". Iorwerth fits chronologically as a son of Gruffudd ap Maredudd ap Trahaearn. Our construction follows possession of the manor at Garthmyl from Maredudd ap Trahaearn down to Marged, heiress of Garthmyl

91. Ithel ap Llewelyn ap Dolffyn, born c. 1220

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

122. Philip ap Ithel ap Llewelyn

Pen. 176, 362 and Pen. 177, 45 cite "Ithel ap Llewelyn ap Dolffyn" as the father of Philip

GENERATION 13:

92. Cadwgan Goch ap Cadwgan Y Gwion ap Hwfa, born c. 1250

He married Dyddgu (c. 1260) ferch Ithel (c. 1225) ap Hywel (c. 1195) ap Moreiddig (c. 1165) ap Moreiddig (c. 1125) ap Sandde Hardd of Mortyn (c. 1095). They had a son and a daughter:

123. Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch ap Cadwgan Y Gwion

Gwen ferch Cadwgan Goch ap Cadwgan Y Gwion, born c. 1280. She married Ednyfed Goch (c. 1265) ap Cynwrig (c. 1230) ap Gruffudd Fychan (c. 1200) ap Gruffudd (c. 1165) ap Einion (c. 1135) ap Ednyfed of Broughton (c. 1100) ap Cynwrig (c. 1065) ap Rhiwallon (c. 1030) descended from Tudor Trevor.

Pen. 128, 139a cites "Cadwgan Goch ap Gwion ap Hwfa" married "Dyddgu ferch Ithel ap Hywel ap Moreiddig", but this cannot be Hywel ap Moreiddig ap Sandde Hardd. We suggest Moreiddig ap Sandde had a son also named Moreiddig, as several family pedigrees point to a Moreiddig born c. 1165 descended from Sandde Hardd.

Pen. 128, 139a also cites "Gwen ferch Cadwgan Goch ap Gwion" married "Ednyfed Goch ap Cynwrig ap Gruffudd Fychan", while Pen. 131, 54 extends his ancestry as "Cynwrig ap Gruffudd Fychan ap Gruffudd ap Einion ap Ednyfed ap Cynwrig ap Rhiwallon"

Pen. 129, 111 and Pen. 127, 132 cite "Cadwgan Goch ap Gwion" as the father of Cadwgan Ddu"

93. Cadwgan Frych ap Cadwgan Y Gwion ap Hwfa, born c. 1255

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

124. Madog ap Cadwgan Frych ap Cadwgan Y Gwion

Pen. 128, 906a cites "Cadwgan Frych ap Cadwgan Goch ap Gwion" as the father of Madog. But the ensuing family dates Cadwgan Frych to c. 1255 and he must have been the brother of Cadwgan Goch, not his son.

94. Ithel ap Jonas ap Hwfa, born c. 1255

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

125. Madog ap Ithel ap Jonas

Dwnn ii, 228 cites "Ithel ap Jonas ap Hwfa" as the father of Madog

95. Madog ap Jonas ap Hwfa, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

126. Maredudd ap Madog ap Jonas

Pen. 128, 216a cites "Madog ap Jonas ap Hwfa" as the father of Maredudd

96. Iorwerth ap Llewelyn ap Einion, born c. 1245

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

127. Llywarch ap Iorwerth ap Llewelyn

Pen. 136, 77 cites "Iorwerth ap Llewelyn ap Einion" as the father of Llywarch

97. Owain Fychan ap Owain Wynn ap Rhys, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

128. Madog Goch ap Owain Fychan ap Owain Wynn

Dwnn ii, 300 cites "Owain Fychan ap Owain Wynn ap Rhys" as the father of Madog Goch

98. Rhys Lloyd ap Owain Wynn ap Rhys, born c. 1265

His wife is unknown, but he resided at Coed yr Erfed in Tegeingl and had a son:

129. Dafydd ap Rhys Lloyd ap Owain Wynn

Dwnn i, 291 cites "Rhys Lloyd ap Rhys ap Iorwerth" as the father of Dafydd. Based on the timeline for his descendants, we believe that citation omits Owain Wynn as the father of Rhys Lloyd

99. Madog ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig, born c. 1255

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

Hywel ap Madog ap Gronwy, born c. 1285. His wife is unknown, but he had a daughter:

Gwenhwyfar ferch Hywel ap Madog, born c. 1315. She married Hywel (c. 1300) ap Ithel Goch (c. 1265) ap Madog (c. 1230) ap Llewelyn (c. 1195) ap Ithel (c. 1165) ap Heilyn (c. 1135) ap Eunydd of Trefalun (c. 1105) ap Heilyn (c. 1075) ap Eunydd of Dyffryn Clwyd (c. 1045)

Harl. 1972, 78 cites "Gwenhwyfar ferch Hywel ap Madog ap Gronwy" married "Hywel ap Ithel Goch ap Madog ap Llewelyn ap Ithel ap Heilyn ap Eunydd" but connects that Eunydd to his grandfather, Eunydd ap Morien.

100. Cynwrig ap Iorwerth ap Caswallon, born c. 1255.

He married Janet (c. 1265), daughter of Henry de Lacy, the latter died in 1312 and was born c. 1230. Cynwrig had a son:

130. Gronwy ap Cynwrig ap Iorwerth

Pen. 128, 139a, 213b & 252b cite "Janet daughter of Henry de Lacy" married "Cynwrig ap Iorwerth ap Caswallon" but incorrectly assume this was Caswallon ap Hwfa

101. Heilyn Fychan ap Heilyn ap Gruffudd, born c. 1250

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

131. Hwfa ap Heilyn Fychan ap Heilyn

Pen. 176, 334 cites "Heilyn Fychan ap Heilyn ap Gruffudd" as the father of Hwfa

102. Ieuan ap Madog Goch ap Cynwrig, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

132. Iolyn ap Ieuan ap Madog Goch

Pen 287, 506 cites "Ieuan ap Madog Goch ap Cynwrig" as the father of Iolyn

103. Iorwerth ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam, born c. 1250

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

133. Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Ithel

Cardiff 3.8, 157 cites "Iorwerth ap Ithel" as the father of Iorwerth Fychan

104. Ieuan ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam, born c. 1250

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

134. Ithel ap Ieuan ap Ithel

Bartrum incorrectly places this family on his chart Hwfa 1.

Pen. 134, 147 cites "Ieuan ap Ithel from Hwfa" as the father of Ithel. This is the only Ieuan ap Ithel descended from a Hwfa who fits chronologically.

105. Llewelyn Y Stwg ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam, born c. 1250

Often called "Ystwch" (the pail or bucket), his wife is unknown but he had 2 sons:

135. Dafydd Fychan ap Llewelyn Y Stwg ap Ithel

136. Ieuan ap Llewelyn Y Stwg ap Ithel

Pen. 287, 499; Pen. 134, 116; Dwnn ii, 302 cite "Ystwg ap Ithel Felyn" but he lived nearly 200 years later than the Ithel Felyn who was Lord of Ial and Ystrad Alun. We think his father was Ithel ap Y Gwion Gam descended from Ithel Felyn, and his timeline fits well as a 4th son of that later Ithel.

Pen. 134, 116 cites "Llewelyn Stwg ap Ithel (Felyn)" as the father of Dafydd Fychan

Dwnn ii, 302 cites "Ystwch ap Ithel (Felyn)" as the father of Ieuan, while Pen. 287, 506 calls this son "Iddon" and Cardiff 3.8, 156 calls him "Adda". We favor the earlier Dwnn spelling of "Ieuan".

106. Gwilym ap Ithel ap Hywel Y Gwion Gam, born c. 1255

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

137. Cadwgan ap Gwilym ap Ithel

Pen. 176, 48 and Pen 139(2), 216 cite "Gwilym ap Ithel ap Y Gwion Gam" as the father of Cadwgan

107. Iolyn ap Llewelyn ap Madog, born c. 1265

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

138. Deio ap Iolyn ap Llewelyn

Pen. 287, 500 and Pen 139(1), 87 cite "Iolyn ap Llewelyn ap Madog" as the father of Deio

108. Hywel ap Hwfa ap Madog, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

139. Einion ap Hywel ap Hwfa

See notes with #139 below

109. Meilyr ap Madog Goch ap Meilyr, born c. 1270

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

140. Rhiwallon ap Meilyr ap Madog Goch

See the source note to #83 above. Only our construction is sound chronologically

110. Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr, born c. 1270

He married Dyddgu (c. 1285) ferch Deio (c. 1255) ap Madog (c. 1225) ap Iorwerth Foel (c. 1195) ap Ieuaf Sais (c. 1165) ap Cyfnerth (c. 1135) ap Iddon (c. 1105) ap Trahaearn (c. 1075) ap Iorwerth (c. 1040) ap Mael (c. 1010) ap Pasgen (c. 980) ap Gwyn (c. 950) ap Gruffudd (c. 915) ap Beli (c. 885) ap Selyf (c. 850) ap Brochwel (c. 820) ap Aeddan (c. 785). The c. 980 Pasgen was the first of 4 men in the Powys Royal family to bear the same 7-generation string of names beginning with 4 different men called Brochwel ap Aeddan. Dafydd and Dyddgu had a son:

141. Dafydd Wele ap Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch

Harl. 1977, 123 cites "Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr" married "Dyddgu ferch Deio ap Madog ap Iorwerth Foel ap Ieuaf Sais" while Pen. 131,285 and Pen. 129, 53 extend her ancestry to "Iorwerth Foel ap Ieauf Sais ap Cyfnerth ap Iddon ap Trahaearn Tynhearn ap Iorwerth ap Mael". While they insert "ap" before Tynhearn, the chronology requires Trahaearn to be a grandson of Mael.

Harl. 1973, 136 cites "Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch" as the father of Dafydd Wele

111. Ithel ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr, born c. 1275

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

142. Llewelyn ap Ithel ap Madog Heddwch

Pen. 287, 509 cites "Ithel ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr" as the father of Llewelyn

112. Madog ap Pyll ap Deheuwynt, born c. 1265

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

143. Einion ap Madog ap Pyll

Pen. 127, 129 cites "Madog ap Pyll ap Deheuwynt" as the father of Einion

113. Gwyn ap Hywel ap Iorwerth, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

144. Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn ap Hywel

Pen. 176, 84 & 93; Pen. 287, 510 cite "Gwyn ap Hywel ap Iorwerth" as the father of Rhiryd Ddu

114. Gwgan ap Trahaearn ap Meilyr, born c. 1250

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

145. Meilyr ap Gwgan ap Trahaearn

Harl. 1973, 26 cites "Gwgan ap Trahaearn ap Meilyr" as the father of Meilyr

115. Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion, born c. 1260

He married Annes (c. 1270) ferch Ieuan (c. 1235) ap Madog (c. 1205) ap Einion (c. 1170) ap Cynfelyn of Maesmawr in Arwystli(c. 1140). They had 3 sons:

146. Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan

147. Madog Lloyd ap Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan

PF 5, 120 cites "Agnes (Annes) ferch Ieuan ap Madog ap Einion ap Cynfelyn" married "Trahaeaern ap Iorwerth" but incorrectly identifies him as the earlier man of that name (#51 above). Bartrum ignores the lady because she doesn't fit chronologically with a c. 1170 Trahaearn, but matches well with this Trahaearn Goch.

Montgomeryshire Collections vii, 55 also mistakes Trahaearn Goch for the earlier Trahaearn ap Iorwerth.

Hist. Llangurig, pp 370 also cites this marriage

116. Ieuan Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

148. Ieuan Dwy ap Ieuan Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan

Dwnn i, 21 cites Ieuan Dwy as a son of Ieuan Goch, but simply calls the father of Ieuan Goch "Iorwerth". Chronologically, only Iorwerth Fychan fits.

117. Rhys ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion, born c. 1265

He resided in Mochdre in Ceri after marrying a lady from there. His wife was Sian (c. 1280) ferch Einion Hen (c. 1252) ap Madog (c. 1224) ap Maredudd (c. 1196) ap Maelgwn II (c. 1168) ap Maelgwn (c. 1138) ap Cadwallon (c. 1110) ap Madog (c. 1080) ap Idnerth (c. 1050) ap Cadwgan (c. 1020) ap Elystan Glodrydd (c. 990). Rhys and Sian had 2 sons:

149. Dafydd ap Rhys ap Iorwerth Fychan

150. Llewelyn ap Rhys ap Iorwerth Fychan

Dwnn i, 111 calls Rhys the son of Iorwerth ap Trahaearn ap Iorwerth. Dwnn 1, 21 makes the same error with his brother, Ieuan Goch. Both the family timeline, and that of the ladies connected by marriage, point to a birthdate of 1260/65 for the two brothers; we believe their father was Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth.

Vis. Shropshire of 1623, pp 476 says Rhys married "Jonetta filia Einani Penn de Morcheir" while Dwnn 1, 111 calls his wife "Sian v Einion Penn Esq". Bartrum agrees that she was "of Mochdre" in Ceri, the seat of the family descended from Elystan Glodrydd. We think Einion Hen was corrupted to Einion Pen and then Einion Penn.

Pen. 128, 192 and Pen. 133, 208 cite the Mochdre family as "Madog ap Maredudd ap Maelgwn ap Cadwallon ap Madog ap Idnerth", a construction 1 generation deficient to reach Madog ap Maredudd. Pen 137, 182 cites a Maelgwn ap Maelgwn ap Cadwallon, and we established he was the father of Maredudd with our work on the Ceri family. Our making Einion Hen a son of Madog ap Maredudd is consistent with the timeline and with his cited home at Mochdre.

118. Ieuan Fychan ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth Y Gwion, born c. 1265

He married Alison (c. 1270) ferch Rhiwallon Fychan (c. 1235) ap Rhiwallon Lloyd (c. 1205) ap Ithel (c. 1175) ap Rhys (c. 1140) ap Ifor (c. 1105) ap Hywel (c. 1070) ap Morgan Fychan (c. 1040) ap Morgan Hir (c. 1010) of Gwent. They had a son:

151. Madog ap Ieuan Fychan ap Iorwerth Fychan

Harl. 1973, 119 cites "Ieuan ap Iorwerth[Fychan] ap [Iorwerth y] Gwion" married "Alison ferch Rhiwallon Fychan ap Rhiwallon Lloyd" while Pen. 131, 286 extends that to "Rhiwallon Fychan ap Rhiwallon Lloyd ap Ithel ap Rhys ap Ifor ap Hywel ap Morgan Fychan of Ewias ap Morgan Hir of Gwent". Morgan Hir is mistaken for a son of Iestyn ap Gwrgan, but that is impossible; he might be a brother of Gwrgan ap Ithel Ddu. Harl. 1973, 119 cites this Ieuan as the father of Madog. We made him "Ieuan Fychan" because we believe he had an older brother called Ieuan Goch

119. Llywarch ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith, born c. 1260

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

152. Einion ap Llywarch ap Llewelyn

Pen. 127, 137; Pen. 176, 123: Pen. 176, 221 cite "Llywarch ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith" as the father of Einion

120. Einion ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith, born c. 1265

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

153. Gronwy Sais ap Einion ap Llewelyn

Pen. 129, 111; Pen 127, 133; Pen 128, 156a & 212a cite "Einion ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Talfrith" as the father of Gronwy Sais.

This is NOT the same man as "Einion ap Llywarch ap Llewelyn ap Ithel Talfrith" who also had a son named Gronwy Sais that is cited in Pen 127, 136; Pen, 176, 123 & 221. He is #152 below

121. Iorwerth ap Gruffudd ap Maredudd, born c. 1275

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

154. Dafydd ap Iorwerth ap Gruffudd

Pen. 287, 423 cites the heiress of Garthmyl as having descended from Dafydd ap Iorwerth

122. Philip ap Ithel ap Llewelyn, born c. 1255

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

155. Rhys ap Philip ap Ithel

Pen. 176, 362 and Pen. 177, 45 cite "Philip ap Ithel ap Llewelyn" as the father of Rhys

GENERATION 14:

123. Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch ap Cadwgan y Gwion, born c. 1280

He married Mali (c. 1295) ferch Sir Gruffudd Lloyd (c. 1260) ap Sir Rhys (c. 1230) ap Gruffudd (c. 1195) ap Ednyfed Fychan (c. 1165). They had 4 sons:

156. Madog ap Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch

157. Einion ap Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch

158. Dafydd Goch ap Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch

159. Iorwerth ap Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch

PF ii, 350 (citing the Golden Grove Ms) says "Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch ap Gwion" married "Mali ferch Sir Gruffudd Lloyd ap Sir Rhys ap Gruffudd ap Ednyfed Fychan".

Pen. 128, 148c cites "Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch" as the father of Madog

Pen. 128, 617b cites "Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch" as the father of Einion

PF ii, 350 cites "Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch" as the father of Dafydd Goch, while Pen. 287, 504 incorrectly makes Dafydd Goch the son of Iorwerth ap Cadwgan Ddu.

Pen. 129, 111 cites "Cadwgan Ddu ap Cadwgan Goch" as the father of Iorwerth

124. Madog ap Cadwgan Frych ap Cadwgan y Gwion, born c. 1285

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

160. Cynwrig ap Madog ap Cadwgan Frych

Pen. 128, 906a cites "Madog ap Cadwgan Frych" as the father of Cynwrig

125. Madog ap Ithel ap Jonas, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

Maredudd ap Madog ap Ithel, born c. 1320 who had a daughter:

Susanna ferch Maredudd ap Madog, born c. 1350. She married Tudor (c. 1335) ap Hywel (c. 1305) ap Cynwrig Fychan (c. 1270) ap Cynwrig (c. 1240) ap Llywarch (c. 1205) ap Heilyn Gloff (c. 1175) ap Tyfid (c. 1145) ap Tangno (c. 1110) ap Ystrwyth (c. 1080) ap Marchwystl (c. 1050) ap Marchweithian (c. 1020), Lord if Is Aled.

Dwnn ii, 228 cites "Susanna ferch Maredudd ap Madog ap Ithel ap Jonas" married "Tudor ap Hywel ap Cynwrig Fychan ap Cynwrig ap Llywarch ap Heilyn ap Tyfid ap Tangno ap Ystrwyth ap Marchwystl ap Marchweithian"

126. Maredudd ap Madog ap Jonas, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

161. Einion ap Maredudd ap Madog

Pen. 128, 216a cites "Maredudd ap Madog ap Jonas" as the father of Einion

127. Llywarch ap Iorwerth ap Llewelyn, born c. 1280

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

162. Cynwrig ap Llywarch ap Iorwerth

Pen. 136, 77 cites "Llywarch ap Iorwerth ap Llewelyn" as the father of Cynwrig

128. Madog Goch ap Owain Fychan ap Owain Wynn, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

163. Madog ap Madog Goch ap Owain Fychan

Dwnn ii, 300 cites "Madog Goch ap Owain Fychan ap Owain Wynn" as the father of Madog

129. Dafydd ap Rhys Lloyd ap Owain Wynn, born c. 1295

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

Dafydd Wynn ap Dafydd ap Rhys Lloyd, born c. 1325. He married Myfanwy (c. 1345) ferch Dafydd Lloyd (c.) ap Dafydd (c.) ap Einion (c.) ap Ednyfed (c. 1220) ap Sulien (c. 1190) ap Caradog (c. 1155) ap Collwyn (c. 1120) ap Y Llawer Craff (c. 1090) ap Maredudd (c. 1055) ap Cynan (c. 1014) and had a daughter:

Angharad ferch Dafydd Wynn ap Dafydd, born c. 1360. She married Dafydd (c.1345) ap Owain (c. 1310) ap Rhys Goch (c. 1280) ap Rhys (c. 1250), Lord of Marton in Chirbury, Salop.

Dwnn i, 291 cites "Dafydd Wynn ap Dafydd ap Rhys Lloyd" married "Myfanwy ferch Dafydd ap Einion ap Ednyfed ap Sulien", while Pen. 131, 285 extends that as "Ednyfed ap Sulien ap Caradog ap Collwyn ap Llawr Grach ap Maredudd ap Cynan". Either Myfanwy was a daughter of Dafydd Lloyd ap Dafydd ap Einion ap Ednyfed or the marriage belongs to Dafydd the father of Dafydd Wynn.

Dwnn i, 291 also cites "Angharad ferch Dafydd Wynn ap Dafydd ap Rhys Lloyd" married "Dafydd ap Owain ap Rhys Goch ap Rhys, Lord of Marton". We suspect the father of that Rhys was Cadwaladr ap Iorwerth ap Rhys Gwnley ap Rhys Fychan ap Dafydd ap Gruffudd Chwith, and that Gruffudd Chwith was a younger son of Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd. Bartrum's charts suggest, but do not make, both those connections

130. Gronwy ap Cynwrig ap Iorwerth, born c. 1285

He married Angharad (c. 1300) ferch Hywel (c. 1270) ap Dafydd (c. 1235) ap Gruffudd (c. 1205) ap Caradog (c. 1170) ap Thomas (c. 1135). We suggest this Thomas was a son of Henry ap Cadwgan ap Bleddyn.

164. Gronwy Gethyn ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig

165. Madog ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig

Pen. 128, 147b, 272b & 590a cite "Angharad ferch Hywel ap Dafydd ap Gruffudd ap Caradog" married "Gronwy ap Cynwrig ap Iorwerth". Dwnn ii, 69 extends her ancestry to "Gruffudd ap Caradog ap Thomas.

131. Hwfa ap Heilyn Fychan ap Heilyn, born c. 1280

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

166. Dafydd Ddu ap Hwfa ao Heilyn Fychan

Pen. 176, 334 & Pen. 139(1), 82 cite "Hwfa ap Heilyn Fychan ap Heilyn" as the father of Dafydd Ddu

132. Iolyn ap Ieuan ap Madog Goch, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

167. Gruffudd ap Iolyn ap Ieuan

Pen. 287, 506 cites "Iolyn ap Ieuan ap Madog Goch" as the father of Gruffudd

133. Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Ithel, born c. 1280

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

168. Maredudd ap Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth

Cardiff 3.8, 157 cites "Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Ithel" as the father of Maredudd

134. Ithel ap Ieuan ap Ithel, born c. 1280

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

169. Gwilym ap Ithel ap Ieuan

Pen. 134, 147 cites "Ithel ap Ieuan ap Ithel" as the father of Gwilym

135. Dafydd Fychan ap Llewelyn y Stwg ap Ithel, born c. 1285

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

170. Gronwy Goch ap Dafydd Fychan ap Llewelyn y Stwg

Pen. 134, 116 cites "Dafydd Fychan ap Llewelyn Stwg ap Ithel (Felyn)" as the father of Gronwy Goch

136. Ieuan ap Llewelyn y Stwg ap Ithel, born c. 1280

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

171. Cynddelw ap Ieuan ap Llewelyn y Stwg

Dwnn ii, 302 cites "Ieuan ap Ystwch ap Ithel" as the father of Cynddelw

137. Cadwgan ap Gwilym ap Ithel, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

172. Einion ap Cadwgan ap Gwilym

Pen. 176, 48 and Pen 139(2), 216 cite "Cadwgan ap Gwilym ap Ithel" as the father of Einion

138. Deio ap Iolyn ap Llewelyn, born c. 1295

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

173. Gruffudd ap Deio ap Iolyn

Pen. 287, 500 and Pen 139(1). 87 cite "Deio ap Iolyn ap Llewelyn" as the father of Gruffudd

139. Einion ap Hywel ap Hwfa, born c. 1295

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

174. Madog ap Einion ap Hywel

Pen. 177, 45 cites "Einion ap Hywel ap Hwfa" as the father of Madog, but omits 4 generations by skipping to Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn.

Pen. 134, 367 and Pen 128, 605a make the same omission, but append "Foel" to the later Hywel.

The only construction which works chronologically is "Madog ap Einion ap Hywel ap Hwfa ap Madog ap Einion ap Hywel Foel ap Hwfa ap Ithel Felyn"

140. Rhiwallon ap Meilyr ap Madog Goch, born c. 1300

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

175. Hywel Goch ap Rhiwallon ap Meilyr

Harl. 1977, 123v cites "Hywel Goch ap Rhiwallon ap Meilyr" but skips 2 generations by making Meilyr the son of Tangwel. See notes at #83

141. Dafydd Welw ap Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch, born c. 1300

He married Mallt (c. 1315) ferch Dafydd (c. 1280) ap Rhiryd (c. 1245) ap Trahaearn (c. 1215) ap Pasgen (c. 1180) ap Gwyn (c. 1150) ap Gruffudd (c. 1115) ap Beli (c. 1080) ap Selyf III (c. 1040) ap Brochwel III (c. 1005) ap Aeddan III (c. 975) ap Selyf II (c. 945) Ap Brochwel II (c. 910) ap Aeddan II (c. 880) ap Selyf I (c. 850) ap Brochwel I (c. 820) ap Aeddan I (c. 785) ap Cyngen (c. 750) ap Brochwel (c. 715) ap Eliseg (c. 685) ap Gwylog (c. 655) descended from Cadell Ddyrnllwg. They had 2 sons:

176. Dafydd Lloyd ap Dafydd Welw ap Dafydd

177. Dafydd Fain ap Dafydd Welw ap Dafydd

Harl. 1973, 136 cites "Dafydd Wele ap Dafydd ap Madog Heddwch" married "Mallt ferch Dafydd ap Rhiryd" while Pen. 127, 148 extends her ancestry as "Rhiryd ap Trahaearn ap Pasgen ap Gwyn" and Pen. 131, 138 continues as "Pasgen ap Gwyn ap Gruffudd".

Harl. 1973, 136 cites Dafydd Wele and Mallt as the parents of Dafydd Fain

Dwnn i, 322 cites "Dafydd Wele ap Dafydd" as the father of Dafydd Lloyd

142. Llewelyn ap Ithel ap Madog Heddwch, born c. 1295

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

Gruffudd ap Llewelyn ap Ithel, born c. 1330. He had a son

John ap Gruffudd ap Llewelyn, born c. 1360. His son

Ieuan ap John ap Gruffudd was born c. 1390

Pen. 287, 509 cites "Ieuan ap John ap Gruffudd ap Llewelyn ap Ithel ap Madog Heddwch ap Meilyr"

143. Einion ap Madog ap Pyll, born c. 1300

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

178. Maredudd ap Einion ap Madog

Pen. 127, 129 cites "Einion ap Madog ap Pyll" as the father of Maredudd

144. Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn ap Hywel, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had 3 sons:

179. Dafydd ap Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn

180. Madog ap Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn

Llewelyn ap Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn, born c. 1325, had a daughter:

Alison ferch Llewelyn ap Rhiryd Ddu, born c. 1360. She married Belyn (c. 1350) ap Madog (c. 1320) ap Llewelyn Foel (c. 1290) ap Llewelyn (c. 1260) ap Madog (c. 1230) ap Llewelyn (c. 1195) ap Ithel (c. 1165) ap Heilyn (c. 1135) ap Eunydd (c. 1105) ap Heilyn (c. 1075) ap Eunydd (c. 1045) of Dyffryn Clwyd

Pen. 176, 93 and Pen 287, 510 cite "Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn ap Hywel" as the father of Dafydd

Pen. 176, 84 cites "Rhiryd Ddu ap Gwyn ap Hywel" as the father of Madog

Harl. 1969, 447/448 cites "Alison ferch Llewelyn ap Rhiryd ap Gwyn" married "Belyn ap Madog ap Llelo"; Harl. 1972, 78 says Llelo is aka Llewelyn Foel and cites "Llewelyn Foel ap Llewelyn ap Madog ap Llewelyn ap Ithel ap Heilyn ap Eunydd". Chronologically, this is Heilyn ap Eunydd ap Heilyn ap Eunydd ap Morien of Dyffryn Clwyd

145. Meilyr ap Gwgan ap Trahaearn, born c. 1280

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

181. Maredudd ap Meilyr ap Gwgan

Harl. 1973, 26 cites "Meilyr ap Gwgan ap Trahaearn" as the father of Maredudd

146. Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan, born c. 1290

He married Elen (c. 1300) ferch Madog Fychan (c. 1270) ap Madog (c. 1240) ap Eginyr (c. 1210) ap Einion (c. 1180) ap Madog (c. 1150) ap Gwylog (c. 1120) descended from Idnerth Benfras. They had 5 sons:

182. Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch

183. Ieuan ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch

184. Jonas ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch

185. Trahaearn ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch

Hywel ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch, born c. 1320, had a daughter:

Efa ferch Hywel ap Iorwerth, born c. 1350. She married first, Maredudd (c. 1335) ap Madog (c. 1300) ap Ieuan (c. 1265) ap Iorwerth Fychan (c. 1230). See #189 below. She married secondly, Llewelyn (c. 1335) ap Maredudd (c. 1305) ap Madog (c. 1275) ap Iorwerth (c. 1245) ap Maredudd (c. 1210) ap Madog Danwr (c. 1175) descended from Tudor Trevor.

Hist. Langurig, pp 370 says "Iorwerth ap Trahaearn of Garthmyl" married "Elen ferch Madog Fychan". Our extension of Madog Fychan back to Idnerth Benfras is based on our construction of that family, whose cited pedigrees are all flawed.

Dwnn i, 308 cites "Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn" and assigns that Iorwerth Fychan a wife born c. 1335; this cannot be the Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn from #88 above, so we believe this was Trahaearn Goch's family.

Harl. 1973, 26 cites "Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn" as the father of Ieuan, assigning Ieuan a wife born c. 1365. Accordingly, we believe this was Trahaearn Goch's family, not the earlier Trahaearn of Garthmyl.

PF ii, 347 cites "Iorwerth Fychan ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn" as the father of Jonas. For the reasons stated immediately above, we think this was Trahaearn Goch

See comments at #185 for Trahaearn ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch

PF v, 120/121 says "Efa ferch Hywel ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn" married "Maredudd ap Madog ap Ieuan ap Iorwerth Fychan ap (Iorwerth) Y Gwion ap Trahaearn, while Dwnn i, 311 makes her the mother of "Ieuan ap Maredudd ap Madog". The last source errs in its ancestry of Maredudd ap Madog, perhaps due to confusion with her second husband.

PF ii, 202 says "Efa ferch Hywel ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn" married "Llewelyn ap Iorwerth ap Maredudd ap Madog Danwr, a construction with 2 missing generations. Pen. 128, 721b calls her second husband "Llewelyn ap Maredudd ap Madog Danwr", a construction with 3 missing generations. Dwnn i, 311 cites a "Maredudd ap Madog ap Iorwerth ap Maredudd ap Madog Danwr" and we believe he was the father of Efa's husband, Llewelyn. The Pen. 128 citation equates the Madog who was the grandfather of Llewelyn with Madog Danwr of 100 years earlier.

We believe Efa was "ferch Hywel ap Iorwerth ap Trahaearn Goch" and was born c. 1350 because her son, Ieuan, married a lady born c. 1375.

147. Madog Lloyd ap Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan, born c. 1295

He resided at Garth Acres and married Annes (c. 1310) ap Llewelyn (c. 1280) ap Einion (c. 1250) ap Celynin (c. 1220) ap Rhiryd (c. 1190) ap Cynddelw (c. 1155) ap Iotrwerth (c. 1125) ap Gwrgeneu (c. 1095) ap Uchdryd (c. 1060) ap Aleth (c. 1025) ap Iorwerth (c. 995) ap Uchdryd (c. 965) ap Aleth (c. 930) ap Alser (c. 895) ap Tudwal Gloff (c. 865) ap Rhodri Mawr (c. 820). They had a son:

186. Ieuan ap Madog Lloyd ap Trahaearn Goch

Dwnn i, 308 cites a Madog Lloyd of Garth Acres as father of Ieuan and as a descendant of Llewelyn Aurdorchog. We believe this was a manor on the original lands of Garthmyl; his birthdate suggests he was in the 4th generation after Trahaearn ap Iorwerth of c. 1170 and Lewys Dwnn, assuming that was his father, did not bother to recite his ancestry. We think he was a son of Trahaearn Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan. This sources also names his wife as "Annes ferch Llewelyn ap Einion ap Celynin"

Pen. 127, 9; Pen. 176, 129; Pen. 135, 391 give the ancestry of Annes as "Llewelyn ap Einion ap Celynin ap Rhiryd ap Cynddelw ap Iorwerth ap Gwrgeneu ap Uchdryd ap Aleth". Extending this ancestry back to Tudwal Gloff is merely our own construction based on our work on that family.

148. Ieuan Dwy ap Ieuan Goch ap Iorwerth Fychan, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

187. Ieuan Fychan ap Ieuan Dwy ap Ieuan Goch

Dwnn i, 21 cites "Ieuan Dwy ap Ieuan Goch" as the father of Ieuan Fychan

149. Dafydd ap Rhys ap Iorwerth Fychan, born c. 1295

He lived at Betws in Ceri and married Jane (c. 1310), daughter of Sir John of Walcot in Salop (c. 1285). They moved to Walcot after the death of Jane's father and had a son:

188. Evan Walcot ap Dafydd ap Rhys

Dwnn i, 111; Visitation of Shropshire, 476 cite "Dafydd ap Rhys as Iorwerth" married "Jane, daughter of Sir John of Walcot". The timeline suggests the father of Dafydd and his brother, Llewelyn, was actually Iorwerth Fychan. Both sources say Dafydd ap Rhys was the father of Evan de Walcot.

150. Llewelyn ap Rhys ap Iorwerth Fychan, born c. 1300

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

Ieuan ap Llewelyn ap Rhys, born c. 1330. His daughter:

Ales ferch Ieuan ap Llewelyn, born c. 1370, married Ieuan (c. 1360) ap Maredudd (c. 1325) ap Gruffudd Fychan (c. 1295) ap Gruffudd Foel (c. 1265) ap Gruffudd (c. 1235) ap Llewelyn (c. 1205) ap Maredudd Bengoch (c. 1170) ap Llewelyn Fraisg (c. 1140) ap Hywel (c. 1110) ap Seisyll (c. 1080) ap Llewelyn (c. 1050) ap Cadwgan (c. 1020) ap Elystan Glordydd (c. 985) Prince of Fferlys.

Harl. 1972, 122 cites "Alis ferch Ieuan ap Llewelyn ap Rhys ap Iorwerth" married "Ieuan ap Maredudd ap Gruffudd Fychan ap Gruffudd Foel ap Gruffudd ap Llewelyn ap Maredudd ap Llewelyn Goch ap Llewelyn Fraisg". Our work on that family suggests Llewelyn Goch and Llewelyn Fraisg were brothers who both had sons named Maredudd, one nicknamed 'Bengoch' and the other 'Hen'. Pen. 127, 103 cites "Llewelyn ap Hywel ap Seisyllt ap Llewelyn", while JC Ms 20, 32 cites "Seisyllt ap Llewelyn ap Cadwgan ap Elystan".

151. Madog ap Ieuan Fychan ap Iorwerth Fychan, born c. 1300

He married Elen ferch Adda, whose ancestry is unknown. They had a son:

189. Maredudd ap Madog ap Ieuan

Harl. 1973, 119 cites "Madog ap Ieuan ap Iorwerth" as the father of Maredudd. Refer to the entries for his father and grandfather for our reasons to append "Fychan" to their names.

152. Einion ap Llywarch ap Llewelyn, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had 3 sons:

190. Gronwy Sais ap Einion ap Llywarch

191. Llewelyn Sais ap Einion ap Llywarch

Gwyn Hagr ap Einion ap Llywarch, born c. 1325. He married a daughter (c. 1335) ferch Gronwy Lloyd (c. 1300) ap Iorwerth y Penwyn (c. 1270) ap Cynwrig (c. 1240) ap Iorwerth (c. 1205) ap Tegwared (c. 1170) ap Iddon (c. 1135) ap Iorwerth (c. 1100) ap Iddon (c. 1070) ap Ithel (c. 1035) ap Edred (c. 1005) descended from Marchudd ap Cynan.

Pen. 129, 111; Pen. 176, 123 & 221 cite "Einion ap Llywarch ap Llewelyn" as the father of Gronwy Sais

Pen. 135, 265 cites Gwyn Hagr as a son of "Einion ap Llewelyn". Pen. 131, 24 cites a "Gwyn ap Einion" without naming Einion's father, and says he married "a daughter of Gronwy Lloyd ap y Penwyn". Pen. 127, 59 continues "Y Penwyn ap Cynwrig ap Iorwerth ap Tegwared ap Iddon" The timeline of that family dates the lady c. 1335, so Gwyn Hagr must be a grandson of Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith, i.e. "ap Einion ap Llywarch ap Llewelyn". Later pedigrees confuse two lines descended from Llewelyn ap Ithel Dalfrith because there was both a "Gronwy Sais ap Einion ap Llewelyn" and a Gronwy Sais ap Einion ap Llywarch ap Llewelyn".

The sources for Llewelyn Sais ap Einion will be discussed in #191 below

153. Gronwy Sais ap Einion ap Llewelyn, born c. 1295

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

192. Deicws ap Gronwy Sais ap Einion

Pen. 129, 111; Pen. 127, 133; Pen 128, 156a & 612a: cite "Gronwy Sais ap Einion ap Llewelyn"

Harl. 1969, 214 cites "Deicws ap Gronwy Sais ap Einion"

154. Dafydd ap Iorwerth ap Gruffudd, born c. 1305

His wife is unknown, but he had a son:

193. Ieuan ap Dafydd ap Iorwerth

Pen. 287, 423 cites "Ieuan ap Dafydd ap Iorwerth" in the chain of holders of the manor at Garthmyl

155. Rhys ap Philip ap Ithel, born c. 1290

His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:

194. Gronwy Ddu ap Rhys ap Philip

195. Tudor ap Rhys ap Philip

Pen. 177, 45 cites "Rhys ap Philip ap Ithel" as the father of Gronwy Ddu

Pen. 287, 507 cites "Rhys ap Philip" as the father of Tudor