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       Bartrum favored this pedigree:
       "Rys chwith ap Llywelyn vychan ap Rys gam ap Llywelyn vawr ap Rys ap Iorwerth ap Kredic ap Gwallter ap Pill ap Predur peisswyn"
        His notes on this man say:
       "Born c. 1250.  He was of Iscoed in southwest Ceredigion and his tribe is described as one of the Prif lwythav o achoedd Sir Aberteifi. (Wrexham 1, p. 172).  He is said to have been Esquire of the Body to Edward I. (Dale Castle Ms pp. 26. 34)"
        Our work also dates Rhys Chwith (left-handed) to c. 1250; however Bartrum has dated his ancestor Peredur Beisgwyn a generation too early, so he inserts an extra name into his pedigree.  The "Rhys Gam" he places between Llewelyn Fychan and Llewelyn Fawr only appears in two manuscripts[1], both of which also err in the two generations which immediately follow Peredur.  We would delete it.  In rejecting these two citations, we would also replace the names which follow Kredic with Clodri ap Gwylfyw found in better sources[2].
         Thus, our preferred pedigree looks like this:
                            995  Peredur Beisgwyn
                              1030  Gwylfyw
                               1060  Clodri
                              1090  Ceredig
                              1125  Iorwerth
                                1155  Rhys
                           1185  Llewelyn Fawr
                          1215  Llewelyn Fychan
                           1250  Rhys Chwith
          Sir Rhys ap Rhys Chwith married Mabli ferch Hywel ap Rhys Foel ap Rhys ap Rhydderch ap Cadifor ap Dyfnwal of Castell Hywel in Ystrad Tywy, a lady born c. 1300.  The citations[3] match her with Rhys Chwith, but Sir Rhys was born c. 1280 and Mabli could not be his mother.
          Earlier, we deleted a Rhys Gam from the pedigree of Rhys Chwith although one citation[4] cites a Rhys Gam ap Llewelyn Fawr.  In fact, he was a son of that Llewelyn Fawr but was a brother of Llewelyn Fychan who was father to Rhys Chwith.  The two brothers, born c. 1215 and 1220, married sisters.  Llewelyn Fychan ap Llewelyn Fawr married Lleuci[5] ferch Richard ap Llewelyn ap Hoedliw, while Rhys Gam ferch Llewelyn Fawr married Arddun[6] ferch Richard ap Llewelyn ap Hoedliw.  Llewelyn ap Hoedliw was born c. 1170[7], and his granddaughters were born c. 1230 and 1235.
         This south Wales family is one of those torn between the Welsh and Normans, electing to give early support to Edward I but continuing to marry only Welsh ladies.  They were not happy with Gwynedd's Llewelyn ap Gruffudd trying to become prince of all Wales.

[1] Pen. 131, 258; Pen. 140, 16
[2] Pen. 131, 223; Pen. 139(2), 58
[3] Pen. 131, 258/9
[4] Pen. 131, 258
[5] Pen. 177, 352; Pen 139(2), 58
[6] Dwnn i, 63 incorrectly matches the lady with Rhys Chwith rather than Rhys Gam
[7] Refer to the paper "Llewelyn ap Hoedliw, Lord of Is Cerdin" at the link below: